Comments on: The state of Eclipse as an ActionScript editor – Revisited http://pod6.com/blog_wp/2006/11/08/the-state-of-eclipse-as-an-actionscript-editor-revisited/ Flash-centric application and UI development. Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:46:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Dmitry Pavlov http://pod6.com/blog_wp/2006/11/08/the-state-of-eclipse-as-an-actionscript-editor-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-10900 Dmitry Pavlov Sun, 01 Apr 2007 20:52:19 +0000 http://pod6.com/blog_wp/2006/11/08/the-state-of-eclipse-as-an-actionscript-editor-revisited/#comment-10900 Hi Craig, Maybe you also will be interested to look at new platform for flash development based on Visual Studio IDE named as <a href="http://neutron.sharpstyle.com/" title="SharpStyle Neutron" rel="nofollow">SharpStyle Neutron</a> For the time being <a href="http://neutron.sharpstyle.com/" title="SharpStyle Neutron" rel="nofollow">SharpStyle Neutron</a> edition for Flex 2 is planned and currently it is in development. P.S. Could you please, remove my previous bad-formed post. Thank you! Hi Craig,

Maybe you also will be interested to look at new platform for flash development based on Visual Studio IDE named as SharpStyle Neutron

For the time being SharpStyle Neutron edition for Flex 2 is planned and currently it is in development.

P.S. Could you please, remove my previous bad-formed post. Thank you!

]]> By: Tom http://pod6.com/blog_wp/2006/11/08/the-state-of-eclipse-as-an-actionscript-editor-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-6268 Tom Fri, 16 Feb 2007 04:05:21 +0000 http://pod6.com/blog_wp/2006/11/08/the-state-of-eclipse-as-an-actionscript-editor-revisited/#comment-6268 Eclipse is REALLY good. It's not that Eclipse is bad...how many other open source editors out there do you know of to develop Flash/Actionscript? Not many... BUT I'm just getting into Flash/Actionscript/Flex...I'm really a PHP/HTML/JS developer. Eclipse is amazing in that it is the only real piece of software that I use anymore...well minus Photoshop/Illustrator and of course InDesign (I'm a graphic designer by nature)...but those don't count. I've tried "FAME" and it's ok...but again I don't know much about AS. I saw FDT and that looked REALLY good too. I've tried Flex Builder 2 from Adobe as an Eclipse plugin and that's down right amazing. If it can do AS for Flash then I'd stick with that...but Flex is probably on my "out" list due to it's cost for running servers. Don't discount Eclipse just yet. Course it's been a while since your post here too. Eclipse is REALLY good. It’s not that Eclipse is bad…how many other open source editors out there do you know of to develop Flash/Actionscript? Not many…

BUT I’m just getting into Flash/Actionscript/Flex…I’m really a PHP/HTML/JS developer.

Eclipse is amazing in that it is the only real piece of software that I use anymore…well minus Photoshop/Illustrator and of course InDesign (I’m a graphic designer by nature)…but those don’t count.

I’ve tried “FAME” and it’s ok…but again I don’t know much about AS. I saw FDT and that looked REALLY good too.

I’ve tried Flex Builder 2 from Adobe as an Eclipse plugin and that’s down right amazing. If it can do AS for Flash then I’d stick with that…but Flex is probably on my “out” list due to it’s cost for running servers.

Don’t discount Eclipse just yet. Course it’s been a while since your post here too.

]]> By: Chuck White http://pod6.com/blog_wp/2006/11/08/the-state-of-eclipse-as-an-actionscript-editor-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-2297 Chuck White Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:09:24 +0000 http://pod6.com/blog_wp/2006/11/08/the-state-of-eclipse-as-an-actionscript-editor-revisited/#comment-2297 The right thing for Adobe to do would be to open source Flex Builder. I understand the profit motives for not doing so, but FlexBuilder is simply an eclipse plug-in. If it was open sourced, people would start adding to it so you could get the built-in PHP support. I am a huge fan of Eclipse, and also have two instances of it running on my development machine at work. One of them has a plug in for our company's special development needs, and the other one is FlexBuilder. The installation for the first one took a small amount of time, setting class paths, etc., and the FlexBuilder installation was completely painless, and has worked well for me. You may want to take a look at Laszlo, which uses the same declarative type of xml language to describe flash objects as flex and, in fact, made its appearance *before* flex. Laszlo is an open source project (they make money by consulting and providing Enterprise-level stuff). Their eclipse plug-in is at http://www.eclipse.org/laszlo/release/0.2.0/. I have not tried it, but because it is open source there's a good chance people will start adding cool stuff to it. Looking at the version number it is apparent this is a fairly new project. The right thing for Adobe to do would be to open source Flex Builder. I understand the profit motives for not doing so, but FlexBuilder is simply an eclipse plug-in. If it was open sourced, people would start adding to it so you could get the built-in PHP support.

I am a huge fan of Eclipse, and also have two instances of it running on my development machine at work. One of them has a plug in for our company’s special development needs, and the other one is FlexBuilder. The installation for the first one took a small amount of time, setting class paths, etc., and the FlexBuilder installation was completely painless, and has worked well for me.

You may want to take a look at Laszlo, which uses the same declarative type of xml language to describe flash objects as flex and, in fact, made its appearance *before* flex. Laszlo is an open source project (they make money by consulting and providing Enterprise-level stuff). Their eclipse plug-in is at http://www.eclipse.org/laszlo/release/0.2.0/. I have not tried it, but because it is open source there’s a good chance people will start adding cool stuff to it. Looking at the version number it is apparent this is a fairly new project.

]]> By: Craig Babcock http://pod6.com/blog_wp/2006/11/08/the-state-of-eclipse-as-an-actionscript-editor-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-2239 Craig Babcock Wed, 08 Nov 2006 22:41:05 +0000 http://pod6.com/blog_wp/2006/11/08/the-state-of-eclipse-as-an-actionscript-editor-revisited/#comment-2239 Hi Jybosse! It makes sense that an IDE written in Java and running on the Java Virtual Machine would be well suited for Java development. If I were a Java developer I would definitely push harder to make Eclipse work the way I need it to. But what I am really looking for is a stable, agile, fast environment for editing AS3, MXML, XML, JavaScript, XHTML/CSS/XSLT and PHP (and throw in UML and SVN/CVS while we're at it). Ideally I'd be able to compile FP9 SWFs directly from the IDE as well. While I don't doubt that Eclipse can handle each of these formats individually, it seemed that the more I extended the IDE, the slower and less stable the platform became. I also wonder if it makes sense to try to get all of these features in a single IDE (ala a Swiss Army knife). Maybe the flexibility of several specialized (Win32) applications is a better way to go, rather than trying to maintain the stability of a platform and plugins from so many disparate sources. BTW, why are you running 2 different versions of Eclipse? Is the Flex Builder plugin not compatible with your version of MyEclipse? Hi Jybosse!

It makes sense that an IDE written in Java and running on the Java Virtual Machine would be well suited for Java development. If I were a Java developer I would definitely push harder to make Eclipse work the way I need it to. But what I am really looking for is a stable, agile, fast environment for editing AS3, MXML, XML, JavaScript, XHTML/CSS/XSLT and PHP (and throw in UML and SVN/CVS while we’re at it). Ideally I’d be able to compile FP9 SWFs directly from the IDE as well. While I don’t doubt that Eclipse can handle each of these formats individually, it seemed that the more I extended the IDE, the slower and less stable the platform became. I also wonder if it makes sense to try to get all of these features in a single IDE (ala a Swiss Army knife). Maybe the flexibility of several specialized (Win32) applications is a better way to go, rather than trying to maintain the stability of a platform and plugins from so many disparate sources.

BTW, why are you running 2 different versions of Eclipse? Is the Flex Builder plugin not compatible with your version of MyEclipse?

]]> By: jybosse http://pod6.com/blog_wp/2006/11/08/the-state-of-eclipse-as-an-actionscript-editor-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-2237 jybosse Wed, 08 Nov 2006 15:16:25 +0000 http://pod6.com/blog_wp/2006/11/08/the-state-of-eclipse-as-an-actionscript-editor-revisited/#comment-2237 Hello ! I don't understand your problems. Two instances of eclipse are running on my computer : I am using FlexBuilder to develop the front side, and I use eclipse(MyEclipse) to develop the back side in java and I got no problem at all :) So maybe eclipse is not made for you, unfortunately, there are no other IDE for flex :( In java, we got everything we want as developer :) Hello !

I don’t understand your problems.
Two instances of eclipse are running on my computer : I am using FlexBuilder to develop the front side, and I use eclipse(MyEclipse) to develop the back side in java and I got no problem at all :)
So maybe eclipse is not made for you, unfortunately, there are no other IDE for flex :( In java, we got everything we want as developer :)

]]> By: Brandon Ellis http://pod6.com/blog_wp/2006/11/08/the-state-of-eclipse-as-an-actionscript-editor-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-2236 Brandon Ellis Wed, 08 Nov 2006 15:11:32 +0000 http://pod6.com/blog_wp/2006/11/08/the-state-of-eclipse-as-an-actionscript-editor-revisited/#comment-2236 There are definitely trade offs. :) I use Flex Builder as my Flex2 IDE. 99% of the time it works like a champ. There are some memory issues but they seem more to do with the JVM than Eclipse/Flex Builder itself. FlashDevelop looks nice but since I swing both ways (mac & pc), it's not a viable option right now. I've used SharpDevelop for the last 3.5 years for all my .net development. SharpDevelop is the code base that FlashDevelop is based on and kicks Visual Studio's ass so I assume FD is very well done. There are definitely trade offs. :)
I use Flex Builder as my Flex2 IDE. 99% of the time it works like a champ. There are some memory issues but they seem more to do with the JVM than Eclipse/Flex Builder itself.

FlashDevelop looks nice but since I swing both ways (mac & pc), it’s not a viable option right now. I’ve used SharpDevelop for the last 3.5 years for all my .net development. SharpDevelop is the code base that FlashDevelop is based on and kicks Visual Studio’s ass so I assume FD is very well done.

]]> By: thatblokemike http://pod6.com/blog_wp/2006/11/08/the-state-of-eclipse-as-an-actionscript-editor-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-2234 thatblokemike Wed, 08 Nov 2006 13:02:02 +0000 http://pod6.com/blog_wp/2006/11/08/the-state-of-eclipse-as-an-actionscript-editor-revisited/#comment-2234 I found it a bit of a mess around but definately worth it... Admitadly i needed a bit of help/advise from others who had gone through the pain, but now its all running smoothly I can only vouch for its greatness! From my perspective (designer with an interest in development), its helped me come a long way in a short time in understanding OOP, packages, scope issues with classes... and its helped a lot.. but your right, the installation proccess could be nicer... but when its free I can hardly complain. I found it a bit of a mess around but definately worth it… Admitadly i needed a bit of help/advise from others who had gone through the pain, but now its all running smoothly I can only vouch for its greatness!

From my perspective (designer with an interest in development), its helped me come a long way in a short time in understanding OOP, packages, scope issues with classes… and its helped a lot..

but your right, the installation proccess could be nicer… but when its free I can hardly complain.

]]> By: bleep http://pod6.com/blog_wp/2006/11/08/the-state-of-eclipse-as-an-actionscript-editor-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-2233 bleep Wed, 08 Nov 2006 12:10:58 +0000 http://pod6.com/blog_wp/2006/11/08/the-state-of-eclipse-as-an-actionscript-editor-revisited/#comment-2233 I agree. It is way too hard to setup - and I had the same problems with the example code too. There is way too much work to do to get it working, and you can't even demo the experience until it is up and working fully. I believe that Eclipse is still firmly in the relm of the hardcore tweek freak and until you can unzip it and install it and get going straight away it will remain there. Bring on SE|PY 2.0! I agree. It is way too hard to setup – and I had the same problems with the example code too.

There is way too much work to do to get it working, and you can’t even demo the experience until it is up and working fully. I believe that Eclipse is still firmly in the relm of the hardcore tweek freak and until you can unzip it and install it and get going straight away it will remain there.

Bring on SE|PY 2.0!

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